Post by Mysti on Jul 7, 2007 11:38:11 GMT -5
AdvLog28A-Portals1-070305
PORTALS - Part 1
GS: I thought I had discussed portals to other worlds in this class, but when I reviewed the class logs, I didn't see anything on portals. So tonight we look at "Portals to Other Worlds." However, I am not going to discuss how to open portals. I don't want anyone to open a portal and then E-Mail "Grail" saying "Help, I opened this portal and now I can't close it." But I do want to talk generally about portals and then we'll get into how to close them if and when you come across an open portal. I had a request last week from a member of our basic class who had been asked to help in closing a very negative portal in an old house. So, it is information that the advanced class should have - just in case.
Portals are, of course, the gateways to other worlds and other planes of existence. Some portals do look somewhat that those in the Stargate series on TV. Others, particularly those in houses, do sometimes look a good deal differently. Maybe you see a hot or fiery circle. These can sort of hang in a room and if you walk around them you don't see anything out of the ordinary except when you view them head on.
Sagegreenspirit: OK, yes I have seen those.
GS: Very often a portal will be aligned with a doorway or the back of a closet. And portals may have the bottoms of their openings at the floor or ground level or may be somewhat up in the air. And these openings can be almost any size. Some can be as small as a couple inches across but which able to be opened up like a string bag. Some are big enough to walk easily through without bending.
Have any of you come across a portal?
Sagegreenspirit: We have a couple of houses that we do pictures for that have them. Amazing what comes out of them or in them. My friend has a picture of a portal at one of our photo sites.
ImLadyAthena: I think so, mine was like walking through a mountain.
TYPES OF PORTALS
For convenience I divide portals into three groups, but that's just my way of doing it.
1. VERY DANGEROUS: Doorways into the darker realms and doors into the primordial gods and the primordial energies.
2. DEFINITELY CAUTIONARY: Doorways that open into alternate worlds, worlds parallel to our earth plane, to elemental worlds, and to some (but not all) realms of the more benign gods and goddesses. Worlds that are on more or less a par with our world -- on about the same spiritual level as this world is. At least, reasonably safe worlds.
3. SPIRITUAL: Doorways into the higher, the spiritual realms.
I should mention that this, that most (but not all!) portals are in the astral. That is, these are doorways you find in the astral. And, when I gave the class on Your Personal Astral Meditation Garden, I did mention you making a provision for a doorway into these elemental worlds.
Sagegreenspirit: I have only seen [types] 2 and 3.
GS: Now, in general, you can not open doors to levels or worlds higher spiritually, more advanced spiritually than you yourself are. But there are exceptions, particularly when several are working on opening the portal together. The basic problem with opening a portal is the problem of guarding it and making sure that nothing goes through in either direction that should not pass through. It will be the karma of the one who opened that portal that is at stake. You would need an abundance of angels or other spiritual entities to guard the portal twenty four hours a day and seven days a week.
Now, exceptions. I do know from personal experience that elementals such as elves, leprechauns and such seem to be able to open doors to our earth world. An elf of my acquaintance could open a portal for himself that appeared, well something like a sliding glass door. I could see the whole room as though nothing was there, but he'd slide this panel and pop through. This particular portal was astral, but it was very close to being a physical plane doorway. Some elementals are able to enter our world and they have their own personal doors that they alone use. My guess is that should the little people want you to enter their domain it would take a number of them working in concert to make a doorway that a human could pass through.
Sagegreenspirit: What if the portal has been open for a long time?
GS: Sage, that's a real problem.
Sagegreenspirit: And, I mean for a couple generations, but it is a portal that is from the spirit world. Nothing bad has happened with this portal.
GS: OK, then it's a benign portal. Some are.
PORTALS TO OTHER WORLDS
Many ancient sites of worship and those of animal and human sacrifice have portals that appear to be closed but which can be opened with the right keys (and sometimes have been opened by mistake). (I mean "keys' in a figurative sense, not actual keys for locks). These particularly sacrificial portals are very dangerous, since they usually open unto primordial gods and to those types of energies.
John Matthews in one of his books on the Grail Quest, The Elements of the Grail Tradition, (I wonder why I would read a book like that?) gives a procedure by which the seeker can enter the underworld (an elemental world) to find his "Questing Beast" or totem. The Questing Beast is equivalent to having a number of different animals in your auric field, but here, all rolled into one creature, a sort of composite of the animal spirits you need for your quest. Maybe a lion's head, a wolf's body, the tail of a peacock, an owl's eyes, etc. Yes, a sort of chimera. So it would be a very strange looking animal.
OK, let me pause here for QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, COMMENTS?
ImLadyAthena: How would you check a place to see if there is a portal?
GS: Let me think about that, it's a good question. Oh of course, you can dowse to find a portal. But that's a whole topic in itself. The trick would be to figure out what sort of dowsing rods you should use, as different portals carry different energies. Some psychics are able to find such gateways easily just by tuning into the energies.
Dragonhearts4: I haven't tried that much, but are you saying there are different elemental worlds?
GS: Oh YES, quite a variety of them.
ENERGY WORLDS
But also there are what I call "Energy Worlds." These are other worlds that portals can open onto. These are the worlds of the energies of the Egyptian Gods, the energies of the Greco-Roman Gods, the primordial gods, the gods of India, etc. If you are on a path other than the Judaic-Christian, your devotions and meditative developments may well open a portal to one of these realms. We tend to think of portals at doorways you can just step through with your physical body. But almost all portals open on the astral planes and it is our astral body that passes through the portal. HOWEVER, exceptions: Many doors to the dark side do allow for the passage of physical bodies. But, leaving aside the passages to the dark side, are these other portals safe to enter? There's no straight yes or no answer to this question.
WrenOwl: To be honest, I would not go through portals at all UNLESS I had a very trusted guide that was with me. I don't trust portals much. I find that the more advanced you become, the more the dark side/negative entities want to suck you into one of these things. However, that's just my experience - yours may vary.
GS: Doorways to the primordial gods and their energies would be most dangerous. The energies you would encounter there we just don't know how to cope with.
Dragonhearts4: OK, so is Hecate one of those? Which level would that Hecate be on?
WrenOwl: IMHO you'll have to ask Hecate that herself.
GS: Well, there's sort of two faces to Hecate, one fairly benign, the other very primordial. Much like the Hindu goddess Kali, well there are more than two faces to Kali. And so both Kali and Hecate are tricky to work with, as it's easy to slip into a face or energy you don't want to face.
Dragonhearts4: Someone I knew no longer wanted to be one of her devotees, she took offense. Friend asked for my help. And Hecate told me [it was] not my fight. I asked angels and was told I was not to interfere. So I did not.
WrenOwl: Hmm, curious. I was told that there is more going on with this friend and the 'devotion' to Hecate than you were told. And that you weren't given the full story.
Dragonhearts4: I am sure that I was not given full story, but that was a couple years ago now. Just wondered how Hecate knew my spirit name, and like recognized me.
DOORS TO THE GODS
GS: Much depends on your personal spiritual path and towards the form of the Ultimate that you favor. For a person with devotion to the goddess Hera or Diana, the journey should be safe enough. But if your focus is on the Norse gods, you could be in danger treading into Diana's preserve. However, venturing into the world of some specific "god or goddess" could be an initiatory process for an individual. With devotion to Diana, you might be asked or invited into her world for some astral initiatory process or to receive some gift, maybe an astral weapon or token. If on the Grail path, you might need to enter that underworld to acquire your Questing Beast. That is, you would enter these worlds - the ones that fit your spiritual path - to learn some lesson, or to gain some knowledge, ability or object that you need for your onward progress on that path. But, still it would be very advisable to Remote View the other side of that portal so you know what you're getting into. And be sure to take a guardian angel or a couple of appropriate guides with you if you do go. And, remember the dark side is tricky - you may be invited into what seems to be a gateway on your path, but it could be a portal to something else entirely.
WrenOwl: BTW: you may not always see the other side of the portal...and if you do, really press the guides to ask if this image is 'true' to what to expect. If they can't answer you...DON'T GO.
GS: And remember, a world that is safe for you to enter may not be safe for another to enter and vise versa. OK. That's about it for tonight.
NEXT WEEK
Next week we will look at Portals to the Dark Side and also how to close them. As they are surely the most dangerous.
HOMEWORK:
Continue meditation, visualization and journaling activities. Are you recording your dreams? It's possible that your guides or angels may actually escort you into another world, so write down your experiences. By the way, I'm sure questions about portals will come to you all during this week, so jot them down and ask about them next Monday evening.
Log Entry: pubg400702099891757chat [Members - 0] 3/5/2007 09:36 PM
PORTALS - Part 1
GS: I thought I had discussed portals to other worlds in this class, but when I reviewed the class logs, I didn't see anything on portals. So tonight we look at "Portals to Other Worlds." However, I am not going to discuss how to open portals. I don't want anyone to open a portal and then E-Mail "Grail" saying "Help, I opened this portal and now I can't close it." But I do want to talk generally about portals and then we'll get into how to close them if and when you come across an open portal. I had a request last week from a member of our basic class who had been asked to help in closing a very negative portal in an old house. So, it is information that the advanced class should have - just in case.
Portals are, of course, the gateways to other worlds and other planes of existence. Some portals do look somewhat that those in the Stargate series on TV. Others, particularly those in houses, do sometimes look a good deal differently. Maybe you see a hot or fiery circle. These can sort of hang in a room and if you walk around them you don't see anything out of the ordinary except when you view them head on.
Sagegreenspirit: OK, yes I have seen those.
GS: Very often a portal will be aligned with a doorway or the back of a closet. And portals may have the bottoms of their openings at the floor or ground level or may be somewhat up in the air. And these openings can be almost any size. Some can be as small as a couple inches across but which able to be opened up like a string bag. Some are big enough to walk easily through without bending.
Have any of you come across a portal?
Sagegreenspirit: We have a couple of houses that we do pictures for that have them. Amazing what comes out of them or in them. My friend has a picture of a portal at one of our photo sites.
ImLadyAthena: I think so, mine was like walking through a mountain.
TYPES OF PORTALS
For convenience I divide portals into three groups, but that's just my way of doing it.
1. VERY DANGEROUS: Doorways into the darker realms and doors into the primordial gods and the primordial energies.
2. DEFINITELY CAUTIONARY: Doorways that open into alternate worlds, worlds parallel to our earth plane, to elemental worlds, and to some (but not all) realms of the more benign gods and goddesses. Worlds that are on more or less a par with our world -- on about the same spiritual level as this world is. At least, reasonably safe worlds.
3. SPIRITUAL: Doorways into the higher, the spiritual realms.
I should mention that this, that most (but not all!) portals are in the astral. That is, these are doorways you find in the astral. And, when I gave the class on Your Personal Astral Meditation Garden, I did mention you making a provision for a doorway into these elemental worlds.
Sagegreenspirit: I have only seen [types] 2 and 3.
GS: Now, in general, you can not open doors to levels or worlds higher spiritually, more advanced spiritually than you yourself are. But there are exceptions, particularly when several are working on opening the portal together. The basic problem with opening a portal is the problem of guarding it and making sure that nothing goes through in either direction that should not pass through. It will be the karma of the one who opened that portal that is at stake. You would need an abundance of angels or other spiritual entities to guard the portal twenty four hours a day and seven days a week.
Now, exceptions. I do know from personal experience that elementals such as elves, leprechauns and such seem to be able to open doors to our earth world. An elf of my acquaintance could open a portal for himself that appeared, well something like a sliding glass door. I could see the whole room as though nothing was there, but he'd slide this panel and pop through. This particular portal was astral, but it was very close to being a physical plane doorway. Some elementals are able to enter our world and they have their own personal doors that they alone use. My guess is that should the little people want you to enter their domain it would take a number of them working in concert to make a doorway that a human could pass through.
Sagegreenspirit: What if the portal has been open for a long time?
GS: Sage, that's a real problem.
Sagegreenspirit: And, I mean for a couple generations, but it is a portal that is from the spirit world. Nothing bad has happened with this portal.
GS: OK, then it's a benign portal. Some are.
PORTALS TO OTHER WORLDS
Many ancient sites of worship and those of animal and human sacrifice have portals that appear to be closed but which can be opened with the right keys (and sometimes have been opened by mistake). (I mean "keys' in a figurative sense, not actual keys for locks). These particularly sacrificial portals are very dangerous, since they usually open unto primordial gods and to those types of energies.
John Matthews in one of his books on the Grail Quest, The Elements of the Grail Tradition, (I wonder why I would read a book like that?) gives a procedure by which the seeker can enter the underworld (an elemental world) to find his "Questing Beast" or totem. The Questing Beast is equivalent to having a number of different animals in your auric field, but here, all rolled into one creature, a sort of composite of the animal spirits you need for your quest. Maybe a lion's head, a wolf's body, the tail of a peacock, an owl's eyes, etc. Yes, a sort of chimera. So it would be a very strange looking animal.
OK, let me pause here for QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, COMMENTS?
ImLadyAthena: How would you check a place to see if there is a portal?
GS: Let me think about that, it's a good question. Oh of course, you can dowse to find a portal. But that's a whole topic in itself. The trick would be to figure out what sort of dowsing rods you should use, as different portals carry different energies. Some psychics are able to find such gateways easily just by tuning into the energies.
Dragonhearts4: I haven't tried that much, but are you saying there are different elemental worlds?
GS: Oh YES, quite a variety of them.
ENERGY WORLDS
But also there are what I call "Energy Worlds." These are other worlds that portals can open onto. These are the worlds of the energies of the Egyptian Gods, the energies of the Greco-Roman Gods, the primordial gods, the gods of India, etc. If you are on a path other than the Judaic-Christian, your devotions and meditative developments may well open a portal to one of these realms. We tend to think of portals at doorways you can just step through with your physical body. But almost all portals open on the astral planes and it is our astral body that passes through the portal. HOWEVER, exceptions: Many doors to the dark side do allow for the passage of physical bodies. But, leaving aside the passages to the dark side, are these other portals safe to enter? There's no straight yes or no answer to this question.
WrenOwl: To be honest, I would not go through portals at all UNLESS I had a very trusted guide that was with me. I don't trust portals much. I find that the more advanced you become, the more the dark side/negative entities want to suck you into one of these things. However, that's just my experience - yours may vary.
GS: Doorways to the primordial gods and their energies would be most dangerous. The energies you would encounter there we just don't know how to cope with.
Dragonhearts4: OK, so is Hecate one of those? Which level would that Hecate be on?
WrenOwl: IMHO you'll have to ask Hecate that herself.
GS: Well, there's sort of two faces to Hecate, one fairly benign, the other very primordial. Much like the Hindu goddess Kali, well there are more than two faces to Kali. And so both Kali and Hecate are tricky to work with, as it's easy to slip into a face or energy you don't want to face.
Dragonhearts4: Someone I knew no longer wanted to be one of her devotees, she took offense. Friend asked for my help. And Hecate told me [it was] not my fight. I asked angels and was told I was not to interfere. So I did not.
WrenOwl: Hmm, curious. I was told that there is more going on with this friend and the 'devotion' to Hecate than you were told. And that you weren't given the full story.
Dragonhearts4: I am sure that I was not given full story, but that was a couple years ago now. Just wondered how Hecate knew my spirit name, and like recognized me.
DOORS TO THE GODS
GS: Much depends on your personal spiritual path and towards the form of the Ultimate that you favor. For a person with devotion to the goddess Hera or Diana, the journey should be safe enough. But if your focus is on the Norse gods, you could be in danger treading into Diana's preserve. However, venturing into the world of some specific "god or goddess" could be an initiatory process for an individual. With devotion to Diana, you might be asked or invited into her world for some astral initiatory process or to receive some gift, maybe an astral weapon or token. If on the Grail path, you might need to enter that underworld to acquire your Questing Beast. That is, you would enter these worlds - the ones that fit your spiritual path - to learn some lesson, or to gain some knowledge, ability or object that you need for your onward progress on that path. But, still it would be very advisable to Remote View the other side of that portal so you know what you're getting into. And be sure to take a guardian angel or a couple of appropriate guides with you if you do go. And, remember the dark side is tricky - you may be invited into what seems to be a gateway on your path, but it could be a portal to something else entirely.
WrenOwl: BTW: you may not always see the other side of the portal...and if you do, really press the guides to ask if this image is 'true' to what to expect. If they can't answer you...DON'T GO.
GS: And remember, a world that is safe for you to enter may not be safe for another to enter and vise versa. OK. That's about it for tonight.
NEXT WEEK
Next week we will look at Portals to the Dark Side and also how to close them. As they are surely the most dangerous.
HOMEWORK:
Continue meditation, visualization and journaling activities. Are you recording your dreams? It's possible that your guides or angels may actually escort you into another world, so write down your experiences. By the way, I'm sure questions about portals will come to you all during this week, so jot them down and ask about them next Monday evening.
Log Entry: pubg400702099891757chat [Members - 0] 3/5/2007 09:36 PM