Post by Mysti on Jul 7, 2007 11:56:54 GMT -5
PSYCHIC READINGS AND CHANNELINGS
GS: Tonight I want to begin disussion of Psychic Readings and Channelings. For those of you who do give readings and such, please chime in as I go along witrh your insights and experience.
PSYCHIC READINGS
GS: There are many very good , excellent psychic readers. Some are on AOL and give readings in the chat rooms. I'm not going to say who's good and who's bad, because invariably it will get back to the readers themselves.
WrenOwl: Ahm...... one note to that........ sometimes readers are in their 'game' and other times they have an off day. What works for one reader/readee combination may not work at another time...or for another person. Readings, if you get them, are very personal transactions..... between the reader and client. And so while one reader might be great for you, that doesn't necessarily mean that reader is for everyone else... or that they are bad...it is just that they connect to that person more completely.
EthereaIDragons: Sometimes a reader just can't connect to a person to read them or give insights. Or they pick up another's energies around them.
Wdogstarr9: Or they even just get plain tired.
WrenOwl: Or sometimes there are readees in the room who send out "[read] me me me me me me me me me me me me me" energy and that is really distracting.
HMedium1: And may I add .... the person being read determines the quality of the reading. The person being read has to give permission as to what information the Reader can address ... in other words sometimes the client puts up blocks and Restrictions on the reading, and the reader has to respect that.
EthereaIDragons: Yes Hm and it bounces off to another person Happens sometimes when they give permission also
WrenOwl: And the more specific the question is, the more likely the answer will be detailed
Wdogstarr9: One of my first " readings" was in a post office, age 5, looking at missing persons posters,
GS: I do recommend that everyone watch a few episodes of "Psychic Detective" on the cable TV Court Channel. Particularly, those who have scepticism about psychic readings as a whole. There you can see some really amazing psychic work that can't be faked. You will note that these psychics work with a bare minimum of knowledge of the case. All they ask for is a photo of the victim - or perhaps some item personal to the victim - sometimes just to be taken to the crime scene -nothing more. Just something to forge a link. Now, these "police" psychics give readings as to what happened -- details of the crime, to precognition -- from when the criminal will be caught ,to reporting on future crimes that will be committed by the perpetrator. So, these readings cover a multitude of what in the past were taken to be different and distinct psychic abilities. Precognition, psychometry, , etc. Even mind reading of the criminal.
EthereaIDragons: That is an excellent TV show. Montel Williams also once a week has Silva Brown on his TV show. She is excellent. We all send out energy and psychic readers are like antennas who picks up the energy and interpolates it like radio waves and the TV. Everything we touch leaves some kind of an energy impression on it for a little while and psychics can feel that energy and read from it or some work with spirits or guides to help aide them. More and more detectives are accepting the psychic into the crime scenes to help them solve the crime.
Wdogstarr9: An " essence" is sometimes left behind on an object, photo, etc.
Meren Mir Sherat: Sometimes you can see it all play it's about asking specifics even as the reader.
Wdogstarr9: We all need that. Some " readers" can walk thru crowds and see and feel the crimes--etc.
EthereaIDragons: Telepathy.
Meren Mir Sherat: An item is usually psychometry.
Wdogstarr9: Grail, that can be quite perplexing.
TERMINOLOGY
GS: Yes, all of these labels can be confusing.
One problem that I discussed with Wrennie a couple of years ago is that a lot has to do with the word "psychic." It's OK to have a hunch, but to have a psychic insight is that "woo-woo" sort of stuff. However, most who are turned off by the word "psychic" really don't know what the word means or what a psychic is. Something "witchy" they think.
EthereaIDragons: Or a mental problem.
WrenOwl: Or satanic.
GS: So, I try to avoid the "clair-whatever" sort of terminology both because of negative connotations and because I'm convinced that the various "clair-whatevers" are really part of a whole.
EthereaIDragons: I agree with that.
PROPHECY
GS: Now, amusingly (to me), I find that it's OK in many churches to give prophecy, but to give a psychic reading -- oh that's of the devil. Even faith healing or psychic healing is considered Satanic by the Jehovah Witnesses.
HMedium1: And the Christian movement also, Grail
GS: In church-- I remember a church service in which the preacher said that?to foretell or read the future was demonic, but that prophesying was OK. I asked him after the service, "How do you tell the difference between prophecy and psychic readings?" He was aghast, no one had ever asked that question of him before. Finally, he answered "Whatever prophets predict always comes to be, but what psychics predict doesn't." I guess he thought that was very insightful answer.
WrenOwl: Mutters--sounds like the excuse they used for witch burnings.
One moon 4 Griff: Exactly, Wren.
EthereaIDragons: Exactly, it also mocks themselves and they don't even know it.
PSYCHIC LINKING
In truth, we all partake of and are a part of the Universal Mind. So, in theory, you and I are capable of knowing everything that has happened and is happening in this world. An example are those who do "Remote Readings" for the government. We'll take that up in a future class.
GS: My aunt who passed just a few weeks ago would scoff at anything psychic -- or any psychic readings. But she always knew when I was sick. She said she just "felt" it. When my father was alive and a practicing attorney, even though I lived several hundred miles away, and not the least informed nor interested in his legal work, I would find myself going over his cases in my dreams at night. I was on his wave-length as it were and picked up his concerns. Most of us have had the telephone ring and we know before we answer who's calling us.
GS: Wrennie has a story about her mentor finding a password. Anyway, her mentor's boss had crossed over, but the mentor was able to capture the password to the boss's computer. However, if anyone were to tell her mentor that he was psychic, he'd deny it.
WrenOwl: Yes, Grail is correct.... my mentor who claims he's not psychic, 'channeled' the person who previously had the job for the password. If he didn't get the password, he wouldn't have been able to get to the students' grades.
EthereaIDragons: I something recent that happen to share. I was in my room and got a sudden urge to have some salsa and while I was coming down th stairs I said "man, I am in the mood for Salsa" and my dad said "Emril was making salsa on TV not even 20 seconds ago." Now from my room I can't hear the TV at all. I often pick up things from my dad a lot because we live together and are so close.
GS: Ethereal -- I doubt that being close location-wise to your father matters that much. We are all in one great big cloud of mind thought. We just fortunately are able to tune in to a very little bit at a time. But those who are related are often on the same or very close wavelengths and pick up what that relative is saying, thinking, perceiving. And, it is very very common for a mother to know instantly when her son thousands of miles away is killed in battle.
EthereaIDragons: True we don't filter it out to well to make sense of it. I am working on filtering it out so I can pinpoint it better. Been working on it for 3 years.
PSYCHIC HEALTH PROBLEMS
Meren Mir Sherat: But doing and using a lot of abilities, yes greatly increases them, but also can have traumatic consequences on the body. What they call "nerve burn" is a good example.
EthereaIDragons: They should be aware of their own limits and don't burn themselves out and never force it to come to them. Often what happens is they try to force it to come to them and they know they can do it. This causes problems. At first we all aren't aware that we do it but in time we learn and become more aware of it.
Meren Mir Sherat: Not many are aware of it though, Val.
Wdogstarr9: Psych Meds will dull your abilities, tried to explain that to others--( RN)
TESTING FOR RELIABLE READINGS
GS: Anyway that leads us to "Testing for Reliable Readings." And that really opens a can of worms. How do we know when we are getting true information psychically and when, assuming the reader is honestly doing his or her best, the psychic is getting and relaying that information accurately? Many psychics get messages in symbols. How do we know that the way the symbol is interpreted is correct in any given case? When I give "angel readings" certain factors reappear to me. I always see the readee in a forest, on a path. The nature of the path tells me what's ahead for the readee. If I see a creature shooting arrows from the thicket at the readee. what does that mean? Someone sending negative thoughts at the readee? Someone telling bad things about the readee? It's a guess, one way or another.
HMedium1: Grail ... its your symbol .. so it should mean to the Client what it means to you .. you are the reader and the control ...
EthereaIDragons: They are walking in the wrong direction that they might get hurt if they continue
WrenOwl: Could be..... but could be other interpretations. Could also be a message to pay attention to where they are right now on this path, that they could be missing something.
GS: Could be that too. Or, a fork in the road ahead. One path leads to darkness, the other to light. One reading I gave, I interpreted the "which choice to make" entirely backwards. Anyway, symbols are a problem. That is, interpreting the symbols. Sometimes a reader is given a symbol that means one thing to the reader but has an entirely different meaning to the readee. Which one is correct? Ouch. Say you see a wide, thick belt. To me that might be a reference to the times as a child I was taken to the woodshed for punishment. But to Wrennie, it might remind her of Uncle Charley who always loosened his big thick belt after a sumptuous meal.
HMedium1: Do you keep a symbol journal, Grail? [Any symbol] should have a constant meaning for you at this point.
WrenOwl: HM I disagree with you....many times I'm given a symbol that doesn't mean anything to me, but when I finally share it with the client, they know exactly what it means However, it's also knowing when the symbol is purely for the client as well as purely for interpretation.... and sometimes that is the difference and the difficulty to choose from.
EthereaIDragons: A symbol is what it means to the reader, for they could have many different interpretations. But in time the reader knows what a particular symbol means.
HMedium1: Because you did not interpret it .. you did what you were supposed to do .. give the message as it was given to you ...I don't interpret symbols when I read unless I know it is my symbol Spirit is showing me for interpretation ...
EthereaIDragons: Same here Hm,I have a few personal symbols that come up but many of the symbols are from the spirit and not personal.
PROTECTION and CHALLENGING
GS: OK, then we get to protection and the need to challenge sources for the message. There are many mystic readers who do not use protection and do not even attempt to challenge the source or verify that the source is who/what it claims to be. There is even a Psychic who seeks answers from the dark side when reading on AOL. So, we have to be sure in a reading that the reader and the readee are well protected with the white light, the Armour of Light, etc., and that the spirit bringing the message to the reader is of or from the Light.
READING FRIENDS
The closer you are to anyone, the more difficult it is to give a clear and unbiased reading. The inner child wants to interpret the reading based upon what it knows about the person. The best readings are those given to a complete stranger. If you care about someone, your feelings are very apt to intrude and alter the reading so as not to hurt the person you're reading for. And, believe me, the conscious mind likes, really likes, to get in and analyze what's coming in and reach conclusions that are not in the bare essentials of the reading itself. So readings when you know a bit about a person are very apt to be distorted, slanted to what you know about the person. It's best when you develop a "blank mind," when you just write or type the words or images that come to you without looking at them or analyzing the meaning.
Well, that's it for tonight. Next week, we'll continue on this topic.
HOMEWORK: continue your meditation, visualizing and journaling.
GS: Tonight I want to begin disussion of Psychic Readings and Channelings. For those of you who do give readings and such, please chime in as I go along witrh your insights and experience.
PSYCHIC READINGS
GS: There are many very good , excellent psychic readers. Some are on AOL and give readings in the chat rooms. I'm not going to say who's good and who's bad, because invariably it will get back to the readers themselves.
WrenOwl: Ahm...... one note to that........ sometimes readers are in their 'game' and other times they have an off day. What works for one reader/readee combination may not work at another time...or for another person. Readings, if you get them, are very personal transactions..... between the reader and client. And so while one reader might be great for you, that doesn't necessarily mean that reader is for everyone else... or that they are bad...it is just that they connect to that person more completely.
EthereaIDragons: Sometimes a reader just can't connect to a person to read them or give insights. Or they pick up another's energies around them.
Wdogstarr9: Or they even just get plain tired.
WrenOwl: Or sometimes there are readees in the room who send out "[read] me me me me me me me me me me me me me" energy and that is really distracting.
HMedium1: And may I add .... the person being read determines the quality of the reading. The person being read has to give permission as to what information the Reader can address ... in other words sometimes the client puts up blocks and Restrictions on the reading, and the reader has to respect that.
EthereaIDragons: Yes Hm and it bounces off to another person Happens sometimes when they give permission also
WrenOwl: And the more specific the question is, the more likely the answer will be detailed
Wdogstarr9: One of my first " readings" was in a post office, age 5, looking at missing persons posters,
GS: I do recommend that everyone watch a few episodes of "Psychic Detective" on the cable TV Court Channel. Particularly, those who have scepticism about psychic readings as a whole. There you can see some really amazing psychic work that can't be faked. You will note that these psychics work with a bare minimum of knowledge of the case. All they ask for is a photo of the victim - or perhaps some item personal to the victim - sometimes just to be taken to the crime scene -nothing more. Just something to forge a link. Now, these "police" psychics give readings as to what happened -- details of the crime, to precognition -- from when the criminal will be caught ,to reporting on future crimes that will be committed by the perpetrator. So, these readings cover a multitude of what in the past were taken to be different and distinct psychic abilities. Precognition, psychometry, , etc. Even mind reading of the criminal.
EthereaIDragons: That is an excellent TV show. Montel Williams also once a week has Silva Brown on his TV show. She is excellent. We all send out energy and psychic readers are like antennas who picks up the energy and interpolates it like radio waves and the TV. Everything we touch leaves some kind of an energy impression on it for a little while and psychics can feel that energy and read from it or some work with spirits or guides to help aide them. More and more detectives are accepting the psychic into the crime scenes to help them solve the crime.
Wdogstarr9: An " essence" is sometimes left behind on an object, photo, etc.
Meren Mir Sherat: Sometimes you can see it all play it's about asking specifics even as the reader.
Wdogstarr9: We all need that. Some " readers" can walk thru crowds and see and feel the crimes--etc.
EthereaIDragons: Telepathy.
Meren Mir Sherat: An item is usually psychometry.
Wdogstarr9: Grail, that can be quite perplexing.
TERMINOLOGY
GS: Yes, all of these labels can be confusing.
One problem that I discussed with Wrennie a couple of years ago is that a lot has to do with the word "psychic." It's OK to have a hunch, but to have a psychic insight is that "woo-woo" sort of stuff. However, most who are turned off by the word "psychic" really don't know what the word means or what a psychic is. Something "witchy" they think.
EthereaIDragons: Or a mental problem.
WrenOwl: Or satanic.
GS: So, I try to avoid the "clair-whatever" sort of terminology both because of negative connotations and because I'm convinced that the various "clair-whatevers" are really part of a whole.
EthereaIDragons: I agree with that.
PROPHECY
GS: Now, amusingly (to me), I find that it's OK in many churches to give prophecy, but to give a psychic reading -- oh that's of the devil. Even faith healing or psychic healing is considered Satanic by the Jehovah Witnesses.
HMedium1: And the Christian movement also, Grail
GS: In church-- I remember a church service in which the preacher said that?to foretell or read the future was demonic, but that prophesying was OK. I asked him after the service, "How do you tell the difference between prophecy and psychic readings?" He was aghast, no one had ever asked that question of him before. Finally, he answered "Whatever prophets predict always comes to be, but what psychics predict doesn't." I guess he thought that was very insightful answer.
WrenOwl: Mutters--sounds like the excuse they used for witch burnings.
One moon 4 Griff: Exactly, Wren.
EthereaIDragons: Exactly, it also mocks themselves and they don't even know it.
PSYCHIC LINKING
In truth, we all partake of and are a part of the Universal Mind. So, in theory, you and I are capable of knowing everything that has happened and is happening in this world. An example are those who do "Remote Readings" for the government. We'll take that up in a future class.
GS: My aunt who passed just a few weeks ago would scoff at anything psychic -- or any psychic readings. But she always knew when I was sick. She said she just "felt" it. When my father was alive and a practicing attorney, even though I lived several hundred miles away, and not the least informed nor interested in his legal work, I would find myself going over his cases in my dreams at night. I was on his wave-length as it were and picked up his concerns. Most of us have had the telephone ring and we know before we answer who's calling us.
GS: Wrennie has a story about her mentor finding a password. Anyway, her mentor's boss had crossed over, but the mentor was able to capture the password to the boss's computer. However, if anyone were to tell her mentor that he was psychic, he'd deny it.
WrenOwl: Yes, Grail is correct.... my mentor who claims he's not psychic, 'channeled' the person who previously had the job for the password. If he didn't get the password, he wouldn't have been able to get to the students' grades.
EthereaIDragons: I something recent that happen to share. I was in my room and got a sudden urge to have some salsa and while I was coming down th stairs I said "man, I am in the mood for Salsa" and my dad said "Emril was making salsa on TV not even 20 seconds ago." Now from my room I can't hear the TV at all. I often pick up things from my dad a lot because we live together and are so close.
GS: Ethereal -- I doubt that being close location-wise to your father matters that much. We are all in one great big cloud of mind thought. We just fortunately are able to tune in to a very little bit at a time. But those who are related are often on the same or very close wavelengths and pick up what that relative is saying, thinking, perceiving. And, it is very very common for a mother to know instantly when her son thousands of miles away is killed in battle.
EthereaIDragons: True we don't filter it out to well to make sense of it. I am working on filtering it out so I can pinpoint it better. Been working on it for 3 years.
PSYCHIC HEALTH PROBLEMS
Meren Mir Sherat: But doing and using a lot of abilities, yes greatly increases them, but also can have traumatic consequences on the body. What they call "nerve burn" is a good example.
EthereaIDragons: They should be aware of their own limits and don't burn themselves out and never force it to come to them. Often what happens is they try to force it to come to them and they know they can do it. This causes problems. At first we all aren't aware that we do it but in time we learn and become more aware of it.
Meren Mir Sherat: Not many are aware of it though, Val.
Wdogstarr9: Psych Meds will dull your abilities, tried to explain that to others--( RN)
TESTING FOR RELIABLE READINGS
GS: Anyway that leads us to "Testing for Reliable Readings." And that really opens a can of worms. How do we know when we are getting true information psychically and when, assuming the reader is honestly doing his or her best, the psychic is getting and relaying that information accurately? Many psychics get messages in symbols. How do we know that the way the symbol is interpreted is correct in any given case? When I give "angel readings" certain factors reappear to me. I always see the readee in a forest, on a path. The nature of the path tells me what's ahead for the readee. If I see a creature shooting arrows from the thicket at the readee. what does that mean? Someone sending negative thoughts at the readee? Someone telling bad things about the readee? It's a guess, one way or another.
HMedium1: Grail ... its your symbol .. so it should mean to the Client what it means to you .. you are the reader and the control ...
EthereaIDragons: They are walking in the wrong direction that they might get hurt if they continue
WrenOwl: Could be..... but could be other interpretations. Could also be a message to pay attention to where they are right now on this path, that they could be missing something.
GS: Could be that too. Or, a fork in the road ahead. One path leads to darkness, the other to light. One reading I gave, I interpreted the "which choice to make" entirely backwards. Anyway, symbols are a problem. That is, interpreting the symbols. Sometimes a reader is given a symbol that means one thing to the reader but has an entirely different meaning to the readee. Which one is correct? Ouch. Say you see a wide, thick belt. To me that might be a reference to the times as a child I was taken to the woodshed for punishment. But to Wrennie, it might remind her of Uncle Charley who always loosened his big thick belt after a sumptuous meal.
HMedium1: Do you keep a symbol journal, Grail? [Any symbol] should have a constant meaning for you at this point.
WrenOwl: HM I disagree with you....many times I'm given a symbol that doesn't mean anything to me, but when I finally share it with the client, they know exactly what it means However, it's also knowing when the symbol is purely for the client as well as purely for interpretation.... and sometimes that is the difference and the difficulty to choose from.
EthereaIDragons: A symbol is what it means to the reader, for they could have many different interpretations. But in time the reader knows what a particular symbol means.
HMedium1: Because you did not interpret it .. you did what you were supposed to do .. give the message as it was given to you ...I don't interpret symbols when I read unless I know it is my symbol Spirit is showing me for interpretation ...
EthereaIDragons: Same here Hm,I have a few personal symbols that come up but many of the symbols are from the spirit and not personal.
PROTECTION and CHALLENGING
GS: OK, then we get to protection and the need to challenge sources for the message. There are many mystic readers who do not use protection and do not even attempt to challenge the source or verify that the source is who/what it claims to be. There is even a Psychic who seeks answers from the dark side when reading on AOL. So, we have to be sure in a reading that the reader and the readee are well protected with the white light, the Armour of Light, etc., and that the spirit bringing the message to the reader is of or from the Light.
READING FRIENDS
The closer you are to anyone, the more difficult it is to give a clear and unbiased reading. The inner child wants to interpret the reading based upon what it knows about the person. The best readings are those given to a complete stranger. If you care about someone, your feelings are very apt to intrude and alter the reading so as not to hurt the person you're reading for. And, believe me, the conscious mind likes, really likes, to get in and analyze what's coming in and reach conclusions that are not in the bare essentials of the reading itself. So readings when you know a bit about a person are very apt to be distorted, slanted to what you know about the person. It's best when you develop a "blank mind," when you just write or type the words or images that come to you without looking at them or analyzing the meaning.
Well, that's it for tonight. Next week, we'll continue on this topic.
HOMEWORK: continue your meditation, visualizing and journaling.